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Fórmula 1 2008
Mais um (Heidfeld) que não percebe nada de F1, racing ou tem interesses próprios na opinião que deu.... LOL :biggrinbandit:
Não é preciso ser muito lúcido (digamos que meia dose chega :bigsmile:) para entender o que se anda a passar. Basta querer ver. :noworry:
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Eu quero ver... NASCAR...:23:
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Enfim, é normal que os saudosistas do costume estejam com uma certa “nostalgia” em relação ao Sr. Tony-Scott Andrews (que por acaso é Inglês e era o único comissário permanente em todos os GP’S da última época), visto que o mesmo, defendeu “com unhas e dentes” (ler sem nenhum tipo de penalização) os interesses de alguém.

Aconselho-vos a reverem o GP de Itália de 2008 para tentarem descortinar como é que foi possível que um certo piloto tenha feito o que fez em todo o GP sem ter tido uma única penalização. Devem também rever o GP do Bahrein 2008 para tentarem descobrir quem foi o piloto que entrou pela traseira do outro e não recebeu qualquer tipo de penalização. Podem também, tentar descobrir quem foi o piloto que no GP de França de 2008 cortou uma chicane e passou o S. Vettel e não sofreu nenhuma penalização. Etc… Etc…

Já estou como diz o outro “"…Não sei o que ele fez, mas foi bem penalizado…"
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E o Alonso bateu no Heidfeld no Monaco e não sofreu penalizações... a isso se chama incidentes de corrida. Em Magny Cours o Lewis foi penalizado. Não percebo porque é que o Heidfeld tenha alguma nostalgia pelo Tony-Scott Andrews...:notrust:
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Só teorias da conpsiração, e frases do género " Vocês sabem do que estou a falar"....:nerd:

O que é certo é que o Kovalainen ainda nao levou penalização por ter empurrado o Raikonen pra fora da pista, que eu saiba.:whistling:

Fê-lo descer pra 7º....só para ir relembrando.:whip:
Cristo morreu.........madre Teresa de calcutá também........e eu próprio não me sinto lá muito bem

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Webber, Button e Trulli também se mostraram preocupado com a actual situação e que algo tem que mudar.

ArrayLeading Formula One drivers have joined calls for a change to the stewards system following the controversial penalties handed out at the Japanese Grand Prix.

And several drivers have shown support for the the idea of using former racers to help with stewarding.

"Personally there are some times when I believe the penalties are unfair," Toyota driver Jarno Trulli told autosport.com in China.

"I always say that we should try to get a driver, a professional driver, inside the stewards because they have no idea about racing.

"This is the truth. They can imagine somehow, but they have no idea in the end. A driver can give them a much better picture of the situation.

"A driver view will certainly improve the situation and will probably be more consistent. I am not saying it will be right, in this world you will always find people who will agree and people who will not agree, whatever.

"Even if you do the right thing you will split thing in two, but I think a driver will provide a better picture and a more consistent judgement."

Red Bull's Mark Webber admitted he was shocked by the penalty given to Toro Rosso driver Sebastien Bourdais at Fuji.

"I think it was a surprise how many drive-throughs were dished out, even Felipe, so that day they just liked dishing them out. Which was a bit odd," Webber said.

"It (Bourdais' penalty) is a real shock for everyone. We are on the racing track and racing around Turn 1. The trajectory is different which is what made the speed difference so high.

"Bourdais had gone around the corner the best he can given the compromise line he has had going into there, as you do in Singapore, it is tight on the way in, as it is in Melbourne. You are pinched onto the apex and the guys are coming from a higher line so will have a different trajectory and speed."

Honda's Jenson Button also believes an experienced driver would be a big help for he stewards.

"We need someone with experience," he said. "I think the stewards do a good job, but having an experienced driver on board would help, but not one from 15 to 20 years ago because so much has changed.

"We need someone who has been involved in the sport and knows about this problem of going off the circuit and coming back on."

Fernando Alonso added: "I think it's a good idea to have an ex-driver to help them because sometimes the decisions they make, it's difficult to know from the outside if you have never driven a Formula One car.

"What would help for the drivers would be a consistency in the penalties - if one time you do something and you get penalised, it is not possible that the next time you do the same thing you get no penalty.

"We ask for a little bit more consistency with the penalties even if they are very harsh or not."[/quote]
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71436

Tal como o Kimi e o Alonso na press conference de hoje

ArrayQ. (Will Buxton – Australasian Motorsport News) To all drivers: going back to the point of safe driving and punishments handed out by stewards. As you say, you guys know in your own minds when you've pulled off a safe move or a fair move. How much do you think it would help having a permanent steward and more particularly a permanent steward who was a former racing driver to be able to understand exactly what racing is all about?

F[ernando] A: I think it's a good idea to have an ex-driver with the stewards just to help them, just because the decisions they take are difficult to know from the outside if you never drove a Formula One car. As Kimi said before, I think it's difficult to get the same feeling and the same comment from all the drivers on the same accident.

Some of them will think that it's fair, some of them not because I think that's normal. For the drivers, what will help is to have consistency in the penalties. If one time you do something and you get penalised, it's not possible that the next time you do the same thing and you don't get penalised. I think we ask for a little bit more consistency, even if they are very harsh.

K[imi] R: Yeah, for sure that would help. It would keep people happier also, that every time you get the same decision. Maybe if there would be an older driver there would be more respect and people wouldn't complain as much. It's only that people want to have the same thing happening every time, the same penalties and same rules.[/quote]
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Eu acho um pouco exagerado: está bem que o Bourdais penalizado é uma aberração e uma aberração á posteriori é duplamente parva. É uma coisa absurda: está por dentro, não me parece que provoque nada e é penalizado é uma estupidez , pq estavam a lutar por posição ( acho eu, certo.?)

Até aí é absurdo.
Mas o massa ser penalizado está muito bem: Não pode fazer aquilo.
E o hamilton e o raikonen serem batios no arranque e na ultima levam a travagem ao extremo ao ponto de lançar uma confusão daquelas também acho bem ghaver penalidades por um motivo: Se não levarem é muito complicado decidir campeonatos ao deita fora.
Só com o Bourdais esteve mal.
Cristo morreu.........madre Teresa de calcutá também........e eu próprio não me sinto lá muito bem

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Portugal pode voltar a ter uma prova a contar para o campeonato de F1?:wondering:



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Japanese Grand Prix footage - what do you think?
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ArrayJapanese Grand Prix footage - what do you think?[/quote]

Pelo video, na minha opinião, o Massa n deve ser penalizado pelo toque no Hamilton. Ele já está encostado ao corrector, praticamente todo em cima dele, tentou fazer a curva como pôde, já q o carro ia meio a fugir, sem atalhar. O Hamilton fecha-lhe a porta e dá-se mal.

No incidente com o Bourdais, acho que a culpa é mais do Massa, parece q n o vê ou coisa do género. o Bourdais n vai na linha mas tá lado a lado e acho q tb tem direito à curva. o Massa podia ter alargado um pouco e já n tocava. Neste caso acho q n se devia penalizar niguém.
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