19-10-2008, 02:30 PM
ArrayPois, mas como disse o Hamilton não vai ter motor novo, parece que nas regras diz que não se pode usar o joker na ultima corrida, pena.
Não estou a dizer se é certo ou errado, só quero evitar que se comece a mandar vir com a Ferrari por causa da situação de hoje. O Kimi sabe o que tinha que fazer e faria de qualquer forma, o mesmo se aplica ao Heikki na Alemanha. O Ron também o contactou por radio na altura.[/quote]
TODAS as equipas fazem isto se for necessário, pode é algum piloto não respeitar essas ordens/estratégias ou acordos.
Não se esqueçam que por ex o Massa tambem fez o mesmo ao Kimi o ano passado em Interlagos, só assim o Kimi foi campeão.
Vivam com isto, nem é coisa que seja particular novidade, desde os anos 50 que a equipa tem prioridade sobre o piloto ou seja, se uma equipa quiser que um piloto seja campeão tem poder para pedir ao outro piloto para ajudar da forma mais adequada. Umas vezes dá nas vistas, outras vezes é feito de forma mais habilidosa mas é tudo. Qual o escândalo?
Agora querem que a FIA penalize o Kimi por deixar passar o Massa? :bigsmile:
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19 October 2008 by Keith Collantine
A lot of discussion went on during the live blog about the Ferrari drivers swapping positions in the closing phase of the race. Kimi Raikkonen clearly backed off his pace to let Felipe Massa past.
There were some who felt this deserved a penalty.
Team orders are supposedly illegal under article 39.1 of the Sporting Regulations which reads:Team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited.
However, as I wrote a few weeks ago, many teams have gotten around this rule in the past simply by not issuing their instructions over the radio.
What Ferrari did today was no different to how Lewis Hamilton breezed past Heikki Kovalainen at Hockenheim, or how Robert Kubica passed Nick Heidfeld at Montreal. Just as they went unpunished, so should Ferrari today. Raikkonen was merely returning the favour Massa did for him at Interlagos last year - which also went unpunished.
It seems to me that the FIA simply cannot enforce the rule banning team orders. Should they scrap it then? Perhaps, but at least the rule in its current form may prevent teams from more overt and unsporting team orders in some situations - blocking rival drivers, for example.
The only thing that struck me as odd about the Ferrari swap was how blatant it was. At Montreal and Hockenheim the chasing driver (Kubica and Hamilton respectively) was much quicker than his team mate. Today Raikkonen surrendered a lead of almost nine seconds to let Massa past.
All the same, I dont think Ferrari deserve a punishment. Todays race was pretty dull. The last thing we need is the stewards getting involved yet again.
Não vi a prova ainda, mas cá para mim o Massa já ganhou o campeonato...:amuse:
Não estou a dizer se é certo ou errado, só quero evitar que se comece a mandar vir com a Ferrari por causa da situação de hoje. O Kimi sabe o que tinha que fazer e faria de qualquer forma, o mesmo se aplica ao Heikki na Alemanha. O Ron também o contactou por radio na altura.[/quote]
TODAS as equipas fazem isto se for necessário, pode é algum piloto não respeitar essas ordens/estratégias ou acordos.
Não se esqueçam que por ex o Massa tambem fez o mesmo ao Kimi o ano passado em Interlagos, só assim o Kimi foi campeão.
Vivam com isto, nem é coisa que seja particular novidade, desde os anos 50 que a equipa tem prioridade sobre o piloto ou seja, se uma equipa quiser que um piloto seja campeão tem poder para pedir ao outro piloto para ajudar da forma mais adequada. Umas vezes dá nas vistas, outras vezes é feito de forma mais habilidosa mas é tudo. Qual o escândalo?
Agora querem que a FIA penalize o Kimi por deixar passar o Massa? :bigsmile:
Should Ferrari get a penalty?<!--sizec--><!--/sizec-->
19 October 2008 by Keith Collantine
A lot of discussion went on during the live blog about the Ferrari drivers swapping positions in the closing phase of the race. Kimi Raikkonen clearly backed off his pace to let Felipe Massa past.
There were some who felt this deserved a penalty.
Team orders are supposedly illegal under article 39.1 of the Sporting Regulations which reads:Team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited.
However, as I wrote a few weeks ago, many teams have gotten around this rule in the past simply by not issuing their instructions over the radio.
What Ferrari did today was no different to how Lewis Hamilton breezed past Heikki Kovalainen at Hockenheim, or how Robert Kubica passed Nick Heidfeld at Montreal. Just as they went unpunished, so should Ferrari today. Raikkonen was merely returning the favour Massa did for him at Interlagos last year - which also went unpunished.
It seems to me that the FIA simply cannot enforce the rule banning team orders. Should they scrap it then? Perhaps, but at least the rule in its current form may prevent teams from more overt and unsporting team orders in some situations - blocking rival drivers, for example.
The only thing that struck me as odd about the Ferrari swap was how blatant it was. At Montreal and Hockenheim the chasing driver (Kubica and Hamilton respectively) was much quicker than his team mate. Today Raikkonen surrendered a lead of almost nine seconds to let Massa past.
All the same, I dont think Ferrari deserve a punishment. Todays race was pretty dull. The last thing we need is the stewards getting involved yet again.
Não vi a prova ainda, mas cá para mim o Massa já ganhou o campeonato...:amuse:
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