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+------- Thread: Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups (/showthread.php?tid=1391)
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - Pedro Rodrigues - 07-03-2008
Esse é que é o caminho mais compensador a médio, longo prazo e que te fará evoluir mais.
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - jazzda - 08-03-2008
ArrayEsses ainda não se inscreveram, por isso não sei se lhes será útil. :cheesy:[/quote]
:oops:Tás muito atento:notrust: um gajo já num se pode enganar.
De qualquer maneira como esses andam mais por natureza se calhar também num precisam :g:
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - Pedro Rodrigues - 08-03-2008
É provável.:cheesy:
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - Alexandre Caetano - 08-03-2008
Eu não concordo em dar um setup totalmente feito, mas sim uma base de onde seria fácil andar num tempo que seria competitivo. Não pelo trabalho que nós temos em fazer setup, mas para os pilotos que recebem os setups não se acomodarem e poderem aprender/explorar o setup que lhes é enviado, podendo aprender e ir ficando independentes no que toca a setups.
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - Luis Nabais - 08-03-2008
ArrayEu não concordo em dar um setup totalmente feito, mas sim uma base de onde seria fácil andar num tempo que seria competitivo. Não pelo trabalho que nós temos em fazer setup, mas para os pilotos que recebem os setups não se acomodarem e poderem aprender/explorar o setup que lhes é enviado, podendo aprender e ir ficando independentes no que toca a setups.[/quote]
Concordo.
Isso juntamente com o que eu referi, parecem-me boas escolhas. Umas dicas associadas à pista, ao que é melhor para um setup para a pista em questão, com um setup melhor que o default, competitivo, mas sem ser ao mais alto nível, facilitará a adesão dos iniciantes, não divulgará "segredos" e tornará tudo mais competitivo.
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - Roberto Nogueras - 10-03-2008
ArrayEu não concordo em dar um setup totalmente feito, mas sim uma base de onde seria fácil andar num tempo que seria competitivo. Não pelo trabalho que nós temos em fazer setup, mas para os pilotos que recebem os setups não se acomodarem e poderem aprender/explorar o setup que lhes é enviado, podendo aprender e ir ficando independentes no que toca a setups.[/quote]
I don't know if you say the same in Portugal, but here in Spain we often say "Si alguien tiene hambre no le des peces, enseñale a pescar". That is, I think using a setup provided by someone else is maybe good for today, but not for tomorrow, as you're not learning anything.
I have some knowledge about rfactor setups and there's no secret: you learn by reading and testing, reading and testing, reading and testing...
In my opinion, I wouldn't like to share my setups with anyone outside the team, but I'll be willing to give some advices during the testing sessions to anyone who needs it. Of course, any team is free to publish their setups "open source" :bigsmile:, but I don't think it's a good idea for the organization to provide a base setup...
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - Luis Nabais - 10-03-2008
ArrayI don't know if you say the same in Portugal, but here in Spain we often say "Si alguien tiene hambre no le des peces, enseñale a pescar". That is, I think using a setup provided by someone else is maybe good for today, but not for tomorrow, as you're not learning anything.
I have some knowledge about rfactor setups and there's no secret: you learn by reading and testing, reading and testing, reading and testing...
In my opinion, I wouldn't like to share my setups with anyone outside the team, but I'll be willing to give some advices during the testing sessions to anyone who needs it. Of course, any team is free to publish their setups "open source" :bigsmile:, but I don't think it's a good idea for the organization to provide a base setup...[/quote]
My opinion too :) I don't know very much about setups, just some basic, but I test and try. If I notice something wrong on the car, ask someone to help me in what to change to solve the problem causing the bad car behavior, and I'm learning on that.
Sometimes I receive great setups and send it to some people, but only 1 or 2 specific friends and my own team. It's good for the time being, but not for my future. I've printed the Setup Matrix (a PDF document on the internet that explains the setups of racing cars, no only for rFactor) and I've learned a lot.
A base setup is not a bad idea, if it's only a little competitive, not for top spots, but at least to give the person a chance. But what I think would be great is to explain what is the best a car setup could be, in each specific track. I don't mean telling what to change directly, but saying something like "in this track the acceleration is more important, the longest gears, the grip, etc, explaining why, but not entering directly on specific setup and values for the setup. Something for us, who know a little or even some who know nothing, to become aware of what to do and why.
A person in a slow car which behaves correctly on track usually doesn't know what to change, just thinks it's himself that's not driving well. Sometimes, hints for those are welcome.
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - Antonio Sousa - 10-03-2008
I was yesterday in the server, and i tried a setup from zero, but the setup default its a complete mess.awfull to drive. Som,e how i put it a litle better, with logical changes, but with that much parameters to mix its very hard to me at the moment: The car stills as a front bumping in slow corners, a strange diferent tyres heating, that the car its all most medium in every corner.
I must understand how to setup this car, really.And how to drive it...............I was so used to other mods, that this is a complete radical change...gonna be dificult to conciliate F1 modern with old.
P.S. : Berto: Whe need to reinforce the Team, and PAY to some guy to develop.----may be Bruno marques or something, i think that one is good.Pay him Berto
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - marco_ascensao - 10-03-2008
Bem... este é um tema controverso... no mínimo ;-)
Se queremos um campeonato competitivo, os setups deveriam ser iguais para todos... na minha opinião, só com setups iguais é que se pode aferir da qualidade de um piloto.
Eu já li muito sobre setups e ainda "batalho" para fazer setups ao nível do que tenho visto em outros corredores.
Para ter uma ideia da diferença que faz um setup... eu estava constantemente a ter tempos na ordem dos 1:40 na pista do Bahrain com as minhas alterações e durante um dos treinos no servidor, um dos colegas que estava online, amavelmente me forneceu o seu setup. Notou-se logo a diferença... na primeira volta já andava no 1:36...
São praticamente 4seg de diferença e o que mudou? não foi nem o piloto nem o estilo de condução... simplesmente o setup...
Só me resta continuar a estudar o assunto dos setups e ir aprendendo... mas que não é tarefa fácil... podem crer!!! ;-)
Um abraço!
Sugestão de Topic Title - Setups - Bruno Marques - 10-03-2008
ArrayI was yesterday in the server, and i tried a setup from zero, but the setup default its a complete mess.awfull to drive. Som,e how i put it a litle better, with logical changes, but with that much parameters to mix its very hard to me at the moment: The car stills as a front bumping in slow corners, a strange diferent tyres heating, that the car its all most medium in every corner.
I must understand how to setup this car, really.And how to drive it...............I was so used to other mods, that this is a complete radical change...gonna be dificult to conciliate F1 modern with old.
P.S. : Berto: Whe need to reinforce the Team, and PAY to some guy to develop.----may be Bruno marques or something, i think that one is good.Pay him Berto[/quote]
pay me hmm ? well yeah, I usually do the setups for my team yeah lol :biggrinbandit: